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2016-12-13 NSPRM Parmenides hyp4 157e-158d - A Fundamentally Different Class of Ideas

Dialogues: parmenides Chapters: hyp4 Sections: 157e 158a 158b 158c 158d Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, Bradley, Yoni, JeffS Parmenides discussion proper begins at 0:04:00 (h:mm:ss). From 1:32:30 to end is discussion with Regina. Pierre's chart: "If Parmenides' vision is a whole -- a perfect complete total -- then all that cannot reach that level -- while it seems to be a whole -- is only a part." Again, the "paragraph numbers" we have taken to referring to for ease (e.g., "11, 12, 21, 22") are simply created by numbering (in the Balboa text) the times that Parmenides speaks, starting from the beginning of the 4th hypothesis. Pretty much -- as I understand it -- the way we "moderns" mean by the word, "idea", which is much lower than Parmenides and Plato's. This lower 'class' of ideas can have infinite multitude. Regina suggested "the class of unlimited imaginary ideas", or some such. David: "a fundamentally different class.." My take on it is that this lower meaning of "idea" leads to our misunderstanding and characterization of "the Platonic theory of forms/ideas". Thus, this lower way does not apply to the higher way Plato uses "idea" to refer to the "aspects" o

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