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2016-12-14 NSPRM Parmenides hyp4 - Contradicting Self Participations

Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp4 Sections: 158b 158c 158d 158e 159a 159b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar, Nancy, Yoni, Bradley Parmenides discussion proper starts at 0:04:55 and ends at 1:20:00. After that a discussion of comparing languages for their ability/disability to express/communicate metaphysics, and cultures. From Barbara: We started at 158C, or Parmenides 21 (Pierre took us back to Parmenides 18--not as he would have it Parm. 11 ὅσον / ὅσος - as great as, how great (at Parm 21, 158c) what does it mean when this word is applied to the idea of the Self? david: it unifies the nature of these classes and makes it consistent throughout. "as much as there is, that's what we get." pg's paraphrase: "as much as you can get of the self, that's as much as it is possible for it to function in this way." so it is a shadow of the self. barbara: but oson is neuter. could refer to ideas (which confirms david's take on it) pg, trying again: "will not then, as far as the self can be said to be extended in this class of ideas, it will always be unlimited" david: on the other hand, it might be the subject. (traying again): "so far as she is, she will always be many."

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